Back from Warsaw

Just got back from the ELF 2009 convention in Warsaw Poland. A great event!

I did follow quite a few classes as the schedule had some interesting topics. And besides meeting old friends I made quite some new ones too. Not to mention my collection of tools also grew considerably (and my wallet is empty). I will share with you these hand made hobb’s picks, used to manipulate (simple) lever locks.

hobb's picks from the ELF meeting in Poland 2009

The most interesting tools are the one with three handles. I do not even now what specific lock these ‘three in one’ picks are used for, but I do like the technique used to make them.

close up 3 in 1 pick

I wrote in a previous posting about the popular orenco lock in spain that uses a simple yet effective countermeasure against a classical hobb’s pick. It seems the kind of pick shown above will be able to open these kind of locka because of the shape of the fingers/tensioner. Although I still I wonder why it is ‘three in one’? Is the middle feeler used to tension the lock? Anyone got an idea what kind of lock this pick was designed for?

The other hobb’s picks are regular ones that vary in diameter and shape, but nothing special.

Polish seal on a high security lock

Unfortunately we did not have much time to see Warsaw, but did manage to shoot some images of a high security door there. The door is not only protected by a Gerda high security lock, but also uses seals for intrusion detection. I did not have much time to figure out the details of the sealing mechanism, but is sure is intriguing …

(* update 19/05: MH made a nice comment: Interesting seal, it seems to use the owner’s fingerprint – for “normal” intruders there would be some kind of psychological barrier to leave their own fingerprints behind…)

17 Responses to “Back from Warsaw”

  1. mh says:

    Interesting seal, it seems to use the owner’s fingerprint – for “normal” intruders there would be some kind of psychological barrier to leave their own fingerprints behind…

    Cheers,
    mh

  2. Pete C says:

    Your ‘three in one’ picks are used for locks where there is warding which prevents ‘two in ones’ being able to pick up the end levers. By making an ‘L’ shape, the warding can be bypassed. The third pickup is required to pick the last lever which could not be reached by the middle ‘L’ pickup.
    The ones I’ve made have a reversed ‘L’ pickup in place of the straight one shown in your pictures because warded locks often have wards on the front and back of the lock case.

    Regards
    Pete

  3. For example BODA lever locks are tensioned from the middle, so the 3-in-1 picks could be used on those easily.

  4. Akkerfeld says:

    Hi! I don’t think they use their fingerprints :), they use their own numbered presses that they press into the clay. This way you know who was the last person to leave the room, and you can also see if there was any intrusion while you were away. Check out these key boxes, they have a similar seal system. http://www.straussmetal.hu/kepek/gyurmazaras_kulcsdoboz.jpg

  5. Jean-Claude says:

    Hope they used permanent thread lock on the Gerda escutcheon. Are those Pozidriv, or are they just stripped?

  6. Raf says:

    Very interesting tools.

    any idea of where they can be bought?

  7. Barry says:

    Raf: I bought them at the fair at the very last day, at the very last hour. All of a sudden a small suitcase appeared on one of the stands, containing about sixty of these kind of tools. Five minutes later the case was empty …

  8. Raf says:

    Hi Jason i aslo belive its for the middle leg

    have u gog a link to the 3 in 1 Hobbs picks?

    I am looking for and 8 lever picker
    thank u

  9. Pete C says:

    Have a look at this drawing to see how the 3 in 1 works:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3552865832_f49ca27639_b.jpg

    It is for a safe lock with a key post and warding at the back of the post.

  10. Lockpicker says:

    Swedish standard department lever locks use the same type of ward as Pete C posted a drawing to. But the Swedish locks use both outer and inner ward. This is made by pressing a collar in the sheet metall. Also is the levers designed to make it extremly hard to move a hoobs pick in there, if any lever has been lifted. For this kind of lock you can expect a “four in one” hoobs pick.

  11. Pete C says:

    Sorry – the above picture link is wrong!

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3552084593_58c4901208_b.jpg

    Cheers
    Pete

  12. Pete C says:

    Barry

    I have just noticed that in your blogg ‘Back from Spain’ you show (and describe) an Orenco lock. This is exactly the type of lock your 3 in 1 picks were made for!

    Cheers
    Pete

  13. sid says:

    A UK locksmith makes 3 in 1 picks, the 3 in 1 significantly improves control over tension, it allows you to ‘feather’ the tension very well.

  14. Raf says:

    Hi Sid

    any more details pls?

    thank u
    Raf

  15. sid says:

    Tim Taylor, he produces wonderful picks / decoders / safe equipment. Very specific tool sales I believe to trading
    safe engineers and locksmiths only.

  16. Parautoptic says:

    The seal you show here is similar to ones that I first saw many years ago on a soviet submarine and later saw in a disused soviet barracks in east germany. The ones I saw were made with a piece of string nailed to the door frame and a clay filled beer bottle top nailed to the door. the impressions in the clay seemed to have been made with some thing like a signet ring or similar. A very effective and cheap tamper seal.

    Phil

  17. kami says:

    hi how can i order this pick tools plz

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