{"id":486,"date":"2009-06-22T14:15:48","date_gmt":"2009-06-22T12:15:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/?p=486"},"modified":"2009-08-07T08:28:59","modified_gmt":"2009-08-07T06:28:59","slug":"abloy-classic-and-trying-the-reduced-contact-area-blank","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/?p=486","title":{"rendered":"Abloy classic and trying the &#8216;reduced contact area blank&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In a couple of weeks Han and I will be giving a two day impressioning course in Spain. It is going to be the second course we organize for the Spanish APECS locksmith organisation in nine months. Last time we gave a very successful course on bumping Spanish locks (a small test proved around 80% of the pin tumbler locks on the Spanish market could be bumped). This time the topic will be impressioning.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-classic-camlock21.jpg\" alt=\"successful impressioned key for 6 disc abloy camlock\" \/><\/p>\n<p>One of the things I am focusing on lately is &#8216;advanced impressioning&#8217;. This means trying the technique on other locks then the standard pin tumbler locks, or modifying keyblanks to make life more easy or have a higher success range on high security locks.<\/p>\n<p>The lock high on my wish list is the <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/images\/5\/58\/Abloy.pdf\">Abloy classic (PDF)<\/a>. As far as I know it is the oldest system that uses discs instead of pins, yet it still is (to me) a remarkably secure lock as it has a very high degree of pick resistance. Of course I had to try if I could use impressioning to open it.<\/p>\n<p>My first attempt was to simply give it a try and see what happens. In this case I just took a classic key, smoothened it and filed down where I saw marks. I soon realized this was not going to work. I had absolutely no idea of the exact position of the discs on the blank and the marks kept wandering from left to right. So my second try was using a marker making some dots on the blank, indexing where the discs should be. Still this did not work well as the marks were sometimes appearing between the dots &#8230; and I ran out of blanks too &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I recently bought more blanks and could continued the challenge. My new strategy: reducing the contact area of the key. Using a caliper I noticed the spacing on Abloy classic is two millimeters (at least on the locks I was experimenting with). So I marked the blank and removed the material between the positions. For <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-impressioning-tools.jpg\">removing the material<\/a> I used a fine metal saw, a dremel tool (with a diamond disc) and a very fine &#8216;blade file&#8217; (knive file?). After some work I ended up with a &#8216;reduced contact area blank&#8217; that looks like a comb.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-comb-key2.jpg\" alt=\"abloy classic key modified for impressioning (reduced contact area)\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Filing down the remaining teeth of the comb is done with a special file. This file is <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-one-sided-blade.jpg\">cut only on the thin side<\/a>. Using this file will only remove material from the contact area of the file, and not from the side of the blade (like on a normal &#8216;full contact&#8217; file).<\/p>\n<p>I did not have a whole lot of abloy classic locks and was happy to have one padlock I did not know the key-combination of. I did have the key, but put it in a bag without looking at it. Using the reduced contact area key I got the idea I was on the right track &#8230; when the key broke off in the lock (grrr). And I could not get the remaining key out of the lock and was out of test locks&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>It is a good thing Han managed to remove the key from the lock, and even though I was on the right track I was too deep on some positions.<\/p>\n<p>Talking with Han, we came to the conclusion to start easy using a <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-camlock.jpg\">simple six disc camlock<\/a>. As most abloy classic locks have a cut 1 (no material removed) on the first and last disc, there were only four discs to work on. And each of these discs could have a cut between one to six (as you can see on this <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-stairway-key-copy.jpg\">&#8216;stairway&#8217; key that is cut 1-2-3-4-5-6<\/a>). This four disc lock did not provide a challenge and was <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-classic-camlock2.jpg\">opened in a couple of minutes<\/a> (without knowing the code).<\/p>\n<p>After this success I did buy some new nine disc padlocks, yet I still have <a href=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-comb-fail.jpg\">not<\/a> managed to open them. Somehow I am doing something wrong &#8230; so I would be grateful if people would share their experiences on impressioning disc (and lever?) locks in the comments or using a private message &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Of course I will keep trying and report back if I know what is needed to successfully open the nine disc version &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>* Update 22\/06 21:00: hyperfocus kicked in and &#8230; voila &#8230; just opened the nine disc version &#8230;<br \/>\nAll I did was make the teeth of the key a little more thin, and filed in small steps. I must say I am pretty pleased with this success as I have not found any other info out there on people successfully opening Abloy classic locks this way &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/abloy-9-disc-impressioned.jpg\" alt=\"successful impressioning on nine disc Abloy classic lock\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>experiences on impressioning the disc based Abloy classic lock<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":171,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/486"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/171"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=486"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/486\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=486"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=486"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blackbag.toool.nl\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=486"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}